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	<title>Comments on: To Slide&#8230;or Not To Slide?</title>
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		<title>By: Will Johnston</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-23793</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this may be too late for your presentation, I agree with a lot of the other commenters about the outline.  An outline can be super-useful in keeping people on track.  If someone gets lost, at least they can get back on track at the next bullet point.  It&#039;s also very helpful for note-takers.

As for the huge number of slides approach, I&#039;ve never tried it myself, but if it takes a long time to prepare, it may be better for presentations that are going to be reused many times, like the ones Larry Lessig gives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this may be too late for your presentation, I agree with a lot of the other commenters about the outline.  An outline can be super-useful in keeping people on track.  If someone gets lost, at least they can get back on track at the next bullet point.  It&#8217;s also very helpful for note-takers.</p>
<p>As for the huge number of slides approach, I&#8217;ve never tried it myself, but if it takes a long time to prepare, it may be better for presentations that are going to be reused many times, like the ones Larry Lessig gives.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-22189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of slides, why not make a Swing app that presents for you?
I did something similar when I gave presentations on using wikis...
no powerpoint, all wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of slides, why not make a Swing app that presents for you?<br />
I did something similar when I gave presentations on using wikis&#8230;<br />
no powerpoint, all wiki.</p>
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		<title>By: Santiago Bustelo</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-22163</link>
		<dc:creator>Santiago Bustelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing we can learn from politicians is rhetoric, the art of speech. Al Gore&#039;s Keynote presentation won a Nobel prize ;-) 

Rhetoric was invented thousands of years ago, distilling the esence of successful expositions. It still works because human nature hasn&#039;t changed since then. Unfortunately, neither have most references on the subject.

A good (classic) source: http://rhetoric.byu.edu/canons/Arrangement.htm

This would be a modern way to explain the arrangement of exposition:

1. raise interest
2. establish context (information already known to the audience)
3. present new information
4. draw conclusions
5. call to action

Last step may be omitted if the purpose is to entertain the audience rather than driving it.

Hope it helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing we can learn from politicians is rhetoric, the art of speech. Al Gore&#8217;s Keynote presentation won a Nobel prize <img src='http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Rhetoric was invented thousands of years ago, distilling the esence of successful expositions. It still works because human nature hasn&#8217;t changed since then. Unfortunately, neither have most references on the subject.</p>
<p>A good (classic) source: <a href="http://rhetoric.byu.edu/canons/Arrangement.htm" rel="nofollow">http://rhetoric.byu.edu/canons/Arrangement.htm</a></p>
<p>This would be a modern way to explain the arrangement of exposition:</p>
<p>1. raise interest<br />
2. establish context (information already known to the audience)<br />
3. present new information<br />
4. draw conclusions<br />
5. call to action</p>
<p>Last step may be omitted if the purpose is to entertain the audience rather than driving it.</p>
<p>Hope it helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Superdotman</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-21360</link>
		<dc:creator>Superdotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(warg i broke your unicode
i am sorry for using an ellipsis and an em dash)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(warg i broke your unicode<br />
i am sorry for using an ellipsis and an em dash)</p>
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		<title>By: Superdotman</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-21359</link>
		<dc:creator>Superdotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter what your presentation looks like on a technical levelâbullet points are just as good as an IDE for conveying ideas. What matters is what you say, and how you say it. You can have the best slideshow ever and give a horrible presentation, but if what you have to say is interesting and useful and you&#039;re engaging, it doesn&#039;t matter if your slides consist solely of stock images of greenery and diverse people smiling.

Pretend you&#039;re talking to a friend or someone you really respect (and talk that wayâdon&#039;t adjust your mannerisms because there&#039;s a larger audience). Whatever you would interrupt the conversation to scrawl on a napkin, use as a slide. Everything else is pretty much clutter.

History is good if it&#039;s relevant. Don&#039;t relate the entire history of Swing; just the parts that explain anything that&#039;s unclear.

Seth Godin&#039;s advice on handouts is good:
&quot;Third, create a written document. A leave-behind. Put in as many footnotes or details as you like. Then, when you start your presentation, tell the audience that youâre going to give them all the details of your presentation after itâs over, and they donât have to write down everything you say. [â¦]
IMPORTANT: Donât hand out the written stuff at the beginning! If you do, people will read the memo while youâre talking and ignore you. Instead, your goal is to get them to sit back, trust you and take in the emotional and intellectual points of your presentation.&quot;

Finally, if your goal is to teach, don&#039;t learn about giving slideshows. Learn about teaching.


(On a side note, could you adjust the CSS on the comments to include half-em vertical margins or em indents, so that we don&#039;t have to double-return every paragraph?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what your presentation looks like on a technical levelâbullet points are just as good as an IDE for conveying ideas. What matters is what you say, and how you say it. You can have the best slideshow ever and give a horrible presentation, but if what you have to say is interesting and useful and you&#8217;re engaging, it doesn&#8217;t matter if your slides consist solely of stock images of greenery and diverse people smiling.</p>
<p>Pretend you&#8217;re talking to a friend or someone you really respect (and talk that wayâdon&#8217;t adjust your mannerisms because there&#8217;s a larger audience). Whatever you would interrupt the conversation to scrawl on a napkin, use as a slide. Everything else is pretty much clutter.</p>
<p>History is good if it&#8217;s relevant. Don&#8217;t relate the entire history of Swing; just the parts that explain anything that&#8217;s unclear.</p>
<p>Seth Godin&#8217;s advice on handouts is good:<br />
&#8220;Third, create a written document. A leave-behind. Put in as many footnotes or details as you like. Then, when you start your presentation, tell the audience that youâre going to give them all the details of your presentation after itâs over, and they donât have to write down everything you say. [â¦]<br />
IMPORTANT: Donât hand out the written stuff at the beginning! If you do, people will read the memo while youâre talking and ignore you. Instead, your goal is to get them to sit back, trust you and take in the emotional and intellectual points of your presentation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, if your goal is to teach, don&#8217;t learn about giving slideshows. Learn about teaching.</p>
<p>(On a side note, could you adjust the CSS on the comments to include half-em vertical margins or em indents, so that we don&#8217;t have to double-return every paragraph?)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Easter</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/09/14/to-slideor-not-to-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-21345</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Easter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: history. I agree that &#039;the obligatory history&#039; is common and not necessary. 

However, I wouldn&#039;t be categorical on it.  I have seen Stuart Halloway give a history of classloaders (e.g. why &#039;endorsed&#039; happened in 1.4, etc) and Glenn VanderBerg on a history of garbage collection strategies. Both were absolutely riveting.

More important than structre is the standard stuff of public speaking: connecting to the audience, avoiding nervous verbal habits (which are rampant among geeks), understanding whitespace, etc. I have seen online presentations that had all the bells and whistles but are a disaster with a view to public speaking (a la ToastMasters or Dale Carnegie). My favourite speakers have a &#039;stage presence&#039; that is reminiscent of theatre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: history. I agree that &#8216;the obligatory history&#8217; is common and not necessary. </p>
<p>However, I wouldn&#8217;t be categorical on it.  I have seen Stuart Halloway give a history of classloaders (e.g. why &#8216;endorsed&#8217; happened in 1.4, etc) and Glenn VanderBerg on a history of garbage collection strategies. Both were absolutely riveting.</p>
<p>More important than structre is the standard stuff of public speaking: connecting to the audience, avoiding nervous verbal habits (which are rampant among geeks), understanding whitespace, etc. I have seen online presentations that had all the bells and whistles but are a disaster with a view to public speaking (a la ToastMasters or Dale Carnegie). My favourite speakers have a &#8217;stage presence&#8217; that is reminiscent of theatre.</p>
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		<title>By: bronson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno about omitting the history of Swing...   That&#039;s the only way that some of its design decisions make sense.  Omit the AWT story and any developer worth his salt will say, &quot;this is idiocy -- no way I&#039;m using such a bizarrely-made toolkit.&quot;

Agree with you 100% that in general it&#039;s a good idea to omit history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno about omitting the history of Swing&#8230;   That&#8217;s the only way that some of its design decisions make sense.  Omit the AWT story and any developer worth his salt will say, &#8220;this is idiocy &#8212; no way I&#8217;m using such a bizarrely-made toolkit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree with you 100% that in general it&#8217;s a good idea to omit history.</p>
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		<title>By: BobR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I design presentations (and other things) for a living and have a couple thoughts:

1. Less is more. Do NOT fill the screen with junk. Keep each slide simple. Very simple. And use slides to highlight and reenforce key concepts only, not for every sentence you utter.

2. Those &quot;rapid-fire, hundreds of slides&quot; presentations are really, REALLY hard to pull off well. You have to be exceptionally well prepared and well rehearsed to make it work.

Want a simple lesson on presentation? Watch a Steve Jobs keynote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I design presentations (and other things) for a living and have a couple thoughts:</p>
<p>1. Less is more. Do NOT fill the screen with junk. Keep each slide simple. Very simple. And use slides to highlight and reenforce key concepts only, not for every sentence you utter.</p>
<p>2. Those &#8220;rapid-fire, hundreds of slides&#8221; presentations are really, REALLY hard to pull off well. You have to be exceptionally well prepared and well rehearsed to make it work.</p>
<p>Want a simple lesson on presentation? Watch a Steve Jobs keynote.</p>
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		<title>By: CodeToJoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CodeToJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big +1 for moving beyond slides... more from July 07:

http://codetojoy.blogspot.com/2007/06/beethoven-didnt-use-powerpoint.html

re: history. I disagree but more on that later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big +1 for moving beyond slides&#8230; more from July 07:</p>
<p><a href="http://codetojoy.blogspot.com/2007/06/beethoven-didnt-use-powerpoint.html" rel="nofollow">http://codetojoy.blogspot.com/2007/06/beethoven-didnt-use-powerpoint.html</a></p>
<p>re: history. I disagree but more on that later.</p>
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		<title>By: Srikanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srikanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go for the super fast slide show, but with: *an outline*.

And post the slides here. I&#039;m sure many of my Swing friends will be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for the super fast slide show, but with: *an outline*.</p>
<p>And post the slides here. I&#8217;m sure many of my Swing friends will be interested.</p>
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