Comments on: IDEA is Now Enterprisey http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/ Technology and Geek Stuff by Eric Burke Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:37:00 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Eric Burke http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6205 Eric Burke Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:21 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6205 Your comment had two links so WordPress thought it was spam. I rarely check the moderation queue because so few are marked spam. Unfortunately due to the way ReCAPTCHA works, if I turn on the wordpress feature to notify me via email of all comments held in moderation, I get tons of junk mails from comments automatically removed by ReCAPTCHA. Your comment had two links so WordPress thought it was spam. I rarely check the moderation queue because so few are marked spam. Unfortunately due to the way ReCAPTCHA works, if I turn on the wordpress feature to notify me via email of all comments held in moderation, I get tons of junk mails from comments automatically removed by ReCAPTCHA.

]]> By: DanB http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6204 DanB Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:33:51 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6204 there it is :) thanks. there it is :) thanks.

]]> By: DanB http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6203 DanB Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:28:26 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6203 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6145 why is my comment still "awaiting moderation." ? http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6145

why is my comment still “awaiting moderation.” ?

]]> By: Michael Easter http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6201 Michael Easter Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:41:54 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6201 According to The Wikipedia, JetBrains is a Czech company so the graph is relevant. The company is enjoying success and probably trying to leverage recent support for Groovy. IMO, the questions are: is this price gouging, or a monopoly? Clearly, neither. The Java community is very fortunate to have such a rich competition between free and commercial IDEs. An interesting question is: how do Java developers convince reluctant employers that Idea is worth the increased price? According to The Wikipedia, JetBrains is a Czech company so the graph is relevant.

The company is enjoying success and probably trying to leverage recent support for Groovy.

IMO, the questions are: is this price gouging, or a monopoly? Clearly, neither.

The Java community is very fortunate to have such a rich competition between free and commercial IDEs.

An interesting question is: how do Java developers convince reluctant employers that Idea is worth the increased price?

]]> By: Bree Mather http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6196 Bree Mather Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:02:42 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6196 IntelliJ IDEA crowd is becoming more like Mac's. They turn into cultists. I should be happy that IDEA getting better and more expensive? What a joke! IntelliJ IDEA crowd is becoming more like Mac’s.
They turn into cultists.

I should be happy that IDEA getting better and more expensive?
What a joke!

]]> By: Eric Burke http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6195 Eric Burke Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:30:41 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6195 You can make IDEA's fonts look better as described here: http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2007/10/14/howto-configure-idea-fonts/ If I recall correctly, the Easter special price used to be $149 You can make IDEA’s fonts look better as described here: http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2007/10/14/howto-configure-idea-fonts/

If I recall correctly, the Easter special price used to be $149

]]> By: James Guice http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6194 James Guice Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:48:05 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6194 Jetbrains is trying to move upmarket as the Java IDE is more of a commodity than ever. Borland found this out the hard way. TeamCity is another product in a commodity market. So Jetbrains has no choice but to raise prices when demand goes down. This is simple economics. The story about the weak dollar is just that -- a story. Personally, I did purchase IDEA 7 and have found it slow and not worth the upgrade. I find more and more tools do not work (or do not work well) with IDEA, but only Eclipse. I think IDEA peaked at version 5 when it offered a strong value proposition vs. Eclipse. All the Java work I do today, I do using Eclipse. One, the tool support is there. Two, the native text rendering is far easier on my eyes. And three, it's free. Jetbrains is trying to move upmarket as the Java IDE is more of a commodity than ever. Borland found this out the hard way. TeamCity is another product in a commodity market. So Jetbrains has no choice but to raise prices when demand goes down. This is simple economics. The story about the weak dollar is just that — a story.

Personally, I did purchase IDEA 7 and have found it slow and not worth the upgrade. I find more and more tools do not work (or do not work well) with IDEA, but only Eclipse. I think IDEA peaked at version 5 when it offered a strong value proposition vs. Eclipse.

All the Java work I do today, I do using Eclipse. One, the tool support is there. Two, the native text rendering is far easier on my eyes. And three, it’s free.

]]> By: Eric Burke http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6189 Eric Burke Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:34:10 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6189 Hey now, they're the ones saying they raised the price because the dollar is weak. The root of my frustration is that my employer will NOT buy upgrades any more due to the cost. Hey now, they’re the ones saying they raised the price because the dollar is weak. The root of my frustration is that my employer will NOT buy upgrades any more due to the cost.

]]> By: Brian Gilstrap http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6181 Brian Gilstrap Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:32:10 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6181 Your graph is quite misleading. You are charting the value of the dollar going down and the price of IDEA going up, as if they combine. That's simply not true. Either one by itself is valid, but implying that they combine is not. As to the price: construction companies provide tools for their employees. Architecture firms provide the design software for their employees. Law firms provide access to legal databases for their employees. Hospitals provide the equipment used by doctors and nurses. Have your employer to buy the upgrade. Your graph is quite misleading. You are charting the value of the dollar going down and the price of IDEA going up, as if they combine. That’s simply not true. Either one by itself is valid, but implying that they combine is not.

As to the price: construction companies provide tools for their employees. Architecture firms provide the design software for their employees. Law firms provide access to legal databases for their employees. Hospitals provide the equipment used by doctors and nurses. Have your employer to buy the upgrade.

]]> By: Vinny Carpenter http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/comment-page-1/#comment-6178 Vinny Carpenter Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:32:59 +0000 http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/02/10/idea-is-now-enterprisey/#comment-6178 I personally think the price of IntelliJ IDEA is worth it - I've been a IDEA user, both personally and professionally since the early days of v2.x and IDEA has made me measurably more efficient. So I continue to buy a license for my personal use at home and buy licenses for my development team at work. And so the $100 increase is not that big a deal for a small company to buy - And there are always personal discounts available for upgrades as the newer version get closer to shipping. I have friends that skip every other version of IDEA for their personal use - Maybe that's an approach that could work. Not to start a religious war here but I dabble with Eclipse and NetBeans on the side to see how the other half lives and while NetBeans is getting pretty close, IMHO IDEA is still the BEST IDE out there in the market place. Some day NetBeans may catch up - I guess only time will tell. So man-up and get your IDEA upgrade :) I personally think the price of IntelliJ IDEA is worth it – I’ve been a IDEA user, both personally and professionally since the early days of v2.x and IDEA has made me measurably more efficient. So I continue to buy a license for my personal use at home and buy licenses for my development team at work. And so the $100 increase is not that big a deal for a small company to buy – And there are always personal discounts available for upgrades as the newer version get closer to shipping. I have friends that skip every other version of IDEA for their personal use – Maybe that’s an approach that could work.

Not to start a religious war here but I dabble with Eclipse and NetBeans on the side to see how the other half lives and while NetBeans is getting pretty close, IMHO IDEA is still the BEST IDE out there in the market place. Some day NetBeans may catch up – I guess only time will tell. So man-up and get your IDEA upgrade :)

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