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	<title>Comments on: JTable: Time to Rethink NIH?</title>
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		<title>By: Cameron Zemek</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/01/17/jtable-time-to-rethink-nih/comment-page-1/#comment-26601</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Zemek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the author of JGrid in the Jeppers project (http://jeppers.sf.net) and its written from scratch. You can see a demo of it in action at http://grom.zeminvaders.net/jspread-demo which is an (unpolished) spreadsheet application built on top of JGrid. I haven&#039;t work on it for a number of years though, but I believe the codebase is an excellent start for a full featured spreadsheet component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the author of JGrid in the Jeppers project (<a href="http://jeppers.sf.net" rel="nofollow">http://jeppers.sf.net</a>) and its written from scratch. You can see a demo of it in action at <a href="http://grom.zeminvaders.net/jspread-demo" rel="nofollow">http://grom.zeminvaders.net/jspread-demo</a> which is an (unpolished) spreadsheet application built on top of JGrid. I haven&#8217;t work on it for a number of years though, but I believe the codebase is an excellent start for a full featured spreadsheet component.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziad Mansouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziad Mansouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done!  And I&#039;d be surprised if it hasn&#039;t been done a number of times already and won&#039;t be done some more times too!  I can&#039;t say for whom, and I can&#039;t share the code, but I can say that Swing, to its credit, gives you all you need to accomplish a very close Excel-ish look and feel.  The take-away for me is that one can write a quality component from scratch (or based on JTable :)) if one puts their mind to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done!  And I&#8217;d be surprised if it hasn&#8217;t been done a number of times already and won&#8217;t be done some more times too!  I can&#8217;t say for whom, and I can&#8217;t share the code, but I can say that Swing, to its credit, gives you all you need to accomplish a very close Excel-ish look and feel.  The take-away for me is that one can write a quality component from scratch (or based on JTable <img src='http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) if one puts their mind to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Guruprasad</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/01/17/jtable-time-to-rethink-nih/comment-page-1/#comment-5818</link>
		<dc:creator>Guruprasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having three independent Jtables (No corelation between the tables), after clicking the Find mode in one table, all the tables are enabling the Find Mode. But What I need is only the table I am clicking on, the find mode should be enabled to read the query and other tables should still show the data.

Thanks,
Guru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having three independent Jtables (No corelation between the tables), after clicking the Find mode in one table, all the tables are enabling the Find Mode. But What I need is only the table I am clicking on, the find mode should be enabled to read the query and other tables should still show the data.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Guru</p>
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		<title>By: JEff</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/01/17/jtable-time-to-rethink-nih/comment-page-1/#comment-5512</link>
		<dc:creator>JEff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently working on a project that a user can read, modify, and write excel via POI.  We use a JTable and I think it works well if you pretty good at customizing a JTable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently working on a project that a user can read, modify, and write excel via POI.  We use a JTable and I think it works well if you pretty good at customizing a JTable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out the JGrid component of Jeppers: http://jeppers.sf.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out the JGrid component of Jeppers: <a href="http://jeppers.sf.net/" rel="nofollow">http://jeppers.sf.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the problem is NIH.  The problem is as you mentioned in your first random thought: &quot;This is a really hard project.&quot;  It&#039;s far easier to hack JTable.

WinForms has two table controls: a ListView ala Windows Explorer and a DataGrid.  I think this is right.  People use table components for a wide variety of purposes and I don&#039;t think one component can suit all needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the problem is NIH.  The problem is as you mentioned in your first random thought: &#8220;This is a really hard project.&#8221;  It&#8217;s far easier to hack JTable.</p>
<p>WinForms has two table controls: a ListView ala Windows Explorer and a DataGrid.  I think this is right.  People use table components for a wide variety of purposes and I don&#8217;t think one component can suit all needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trey Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you are absolutely correct here.  Never have I seen a Swing-based component that can truly hang w/ Excel, and it would be beneficial for a huge number of people to have a responsive, Excel-like data grid.  What is OpenOffice using?  Is it swing-based?  
Its not like enough people haven&#039;t tried to solve this problem using JTable, and yet all of their attempts have come up short.  You are right.  The time has come to solve this problem with a brand new component targeted specifically at Excel-like behavior. 

-Trey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you are absolutely correct here.  Never have I seen a Swing-based component that can truly hang w/ Excel, and it would be beneficial for a huge number of people to have a responsive, Excel-like data grid.  What is OpenOffice using?  Is it swing-based?<br />
Its not like enough people haven&#8217;t tried to solve this problem using JTable, and yet all of their attempts have come up short.  You are right.  The time has come to solve this problem with a brand new component targeted specifically at Excel-like behavior. </p>
<p>-Trey</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took a look @Jesse&#039;s pdf and it has some really good ideas.  I&#039;d love a discussion with the author of Visi-Calc, or other such &quot;*.calc&#039;s&quot; to see what they thought they&#039;d done right and wrong in their designs.  Some of them &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; open source now.  Good points, as always.  Maybe Scala or Ruby will make this trivial, maybe not.

As Always...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look @Jesse&#8217;s pdf and it has some really good ideas.  I&#8217;d love a discussion with the author of Visi-Calc, or other such &#8220;*.calc&#8217;s&#8221; to see what they thought they&#8217;d done right and wrong in their designs.  Some of them <b>are</b> open source now.  Good points, as always.  Maybe Scala or Ruby will make this trivial, maybe not.</p>
<p>As Always&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/01/17/jtable-time-to-rethink-nih/comment-page-1/#comment-4910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a few days planning this exact project back when I was still working on Swing. I didn&#039;t get much further than setting up a java.net project and writing down some ideas:
https://jwtable.dev.java.net/jwtable.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a few days planning this exact project back when I was still working on Swing. I didn&#8217;t get much further than setting up a java.net project and writing down some ideas:<br />
<a href="https://jwtable.dev.java.net/jwtable.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://jwtable.dev.java.net/jwtable.pdf</a></p>
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